On Monday night, the Maryland Transit Administration (MTA) held a focus group meeting on the Purple Line at B-CC High School. Mike Madden, the Project Manager, was accompanied by Lead Engineer Joe Romanowski, Engineer Harriet Levine, Engineer Deirdre Smith, and Public Outreach Person Kacie Levy.
Representatives of a number of different groups were there. In addition to the ACT, other pro-development and pro-Purple people included the MoCo Chamber and the Bethesda Urban Partnership (BUP). Community representatives came from the Town of Chevy Chase (Councilwoman Kathy Strom), East Bethesda, and the Riviera, and the Greater Bethesda-Chevy Chase Coalition--a group in favor of protecting the existing trail.
Although they are still officially assessing which route is best and whether any Purple Line route is justified, the tone of the meeting was that MTA firmly believes in the light-rail option along the Capital Crescent Trail and the ridership numbers will back them up. The official MTA Purple Line website reinforces this conclusion as it has a section on benefits but does not weigh them against potential costs of the light rail system.
The ridership study attracted a lot of attention at the start of the meeting. The BUP representative expressed concern that the ridership study would underestimate use because people are increasingly willing to walk more than 15 minutes to ride it. MTA expressed some sympathy with this view but ultimately made clear that they intended to estimate use based on surveys. My own sense that the willingness to ride naturally drops with distance and rapidly beyond a 15-minute walk.
The MTA representatives explained that they did not know much about ridership estimates--the experts on this topic were not at the meeting. However, they made clear their firm belief that BRAC (the base realignment process) would generate relatively few additional trips to Medical Center and not make a high-speed bus route along Jones Bridge Rd. more sensible than the light-rail route along the Capital Crescent Trail.
There was a fair amount of confusion when I asked whether the ridership would be based on existing development or development generated by the Purple Line. Building a light-rail system would permit and result in much higher development in Bethesda, Chevy Chase Lake, and Silver Spring under current law which links development to transportation.
At the end of the meeting, I was unclear on how fast the Purple Line would go. At one point, it was stated that it would run at an average speed of around 30-35mph. However, I also thought I heard that it would run around 40-45mph. MTA outlined that the speed of trips is critical to attracting ridership which made me wonder how many would ride outside of rush hour as one can drive as fast and to the exact location instead of a stop.
No mention or claim was made for traffic reduction by MTA which seems wise since its potential to take cars off the road appears dubious. After all, it is unclear how many will leave the roads for the light rail. Moreover, the new development permitted by the light rail will dump additional traffic onto roads near the stops (e.g. Connecticut Ave). The light rail appears to be less of an attack on existing traffic and more part of a smart growth strategy to promote greater density and public transit use within already developed areas.
MTA explained that they had to adhere to the Council of Governments (COG) model for future growth in estimating ridership order to have a shot at winning federal funds. Clearly, both supporters and opponents will be looking closing at the ridership numbers when they are released at their Fall meeting.
The trail was another issue discussed at the meeting. At one point before the meeting officially started, Mike Madden objected to calling the trail between Chevy Chase and Silver Spring part of the Capital Crescent Trail. However, the maps produced by MTA actually use the same name. MTA explained that within the tunnel under Wisconsin Ave., the trail would run above the proposed light-rail system. The floor to ceiling space would be as small as eight feet which MTA conceded was tight. Outside, the trail will be about 11 feet from the light rail and separated by some sort of fence outside.
Trees were also a matter of concern. MTA says that they want to avoid destroying any more trees than are necessary. They explained that the width of the right-of-way varies along the route from Bethesda to Silver Spring and that the full right-of-way was not needed for much of the way. Of course, they acknowledge that thousands of trees will have to go if the light rail is built. In the portion near Chevy Chase, the right-of-way is the minimum size needed so it will not be possible to replant trees alongside either the new trail or the light rail there.
MTA presented information a grass track option for the Purple Line. The group was shown appealing photos from light rail systems in France with grass instead of the conventional stones along the track. In addition to the obvious benefit of being more attractive, Mike Madden said that it could also help reduce noise. MTA had no information on the initial cost or the maintenance costs.
At one point in the meeting, it was candidly stated that it was unclear if grass tracks were feasible since the short and long-term costs are not known. However, Mike Madden later said in response to my query that they would not have presented it if they did not think it would be feasible but that positive community support would be needed to make it happen. Your gentle correspondent encouraged MTA to develop numbers on the cost.
Mike Madden expressed a direct willingness to work with communities on dealing with a variety of issues such as safety, noise, and access to the trail. Kathy Strom and I brought up the issue of people, especially kids, needing to be protected from the light rail. In the Town of Chevy Chase, the light rail would directly adjoin the Town with the trail being on the other side.
In general, the overall cost remains an interesting issue. No information is available on the cost of flying the Purple Line and the trail over Connecticut Ave. among other fixes needed to make it work. Mike Madden stated that he still intends to run the light rail at grade through the University of Maryland though the Chancellor of the University has publicly opposed this idea.
The State would be wise to gather independent estimates on cost. MTA favors the project and knows it needs to keep the estimated cost low in order to qualify for federal funds which naturally creates pressures for lower, albeit plausible, cost estimates. I imagine this is why so many public projects like this tend to cost far more than expected (visit the "Big Dig" in Boston for a prime example) to the detriment of public budgets.
Friday, October 05, 2007
Purple Line Focus Group
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The Purple Line. just like all the other colors of the raunbow lines are for those people who work in the areas surrounding the Metro stops and within walking distance,
For those of us who are retired or do not have to work, driving is still the choice of transportation.
If I wish to meet friends in Bethesda or Silver Spring for lunch or to go shopping the Metro does not make it an easy chore.
I need a place to put my purchases if I wish stop at a restaurant after shopping,- after all I can'y be walking around carrying bags of stuff and then walk 1/4 mile or more to a Metro and then walk again when I get to my destination.
The Wheaton Metro is an example of this-- it is about a 1/4 mile from the Wheaton Metro stop to Target and Giant.
If I took the Metro to Wheaton and went shopping I would have a hard time walking back, and with my hands full of packages I would be an easy victim for a robber.
The Purple Line will get me no closer to Oursiman Honda, or the Giant or Barnes and Noble- it is a long walk to both from the Bethesda Metro stop as it is.
The Purple Line is just another waste of taxpayers money
Why, if the mayor of the Town of Chevy Chase thinks it will be unsafe for children to be in proximity to the Purple Line, does she allow cars on the streets of her town? Surely the danger is greater on a sidewalk next to a street. It is not separated from the street by a fence, and the cars are not kept on a predictable path by rails like the trains are.
anonymous of 6:09 am: Good question. The answer is because cars represent the status quo (which is very, very good in Chevy Chase) and the Purple Line is a change to the status quo and change is threatening to people. The residents of Chevy Chase also don't see an immediate benefit to them from being able to travel by transit to Silver Spring, College Park or New Carrollton because "they never go there anyway." The benefits to other people who DO travel between these locations are of no interest to the fortunate residents of Chevy Chase.
Thanks to the anonymous posters for taking to time to write. I think it is important to remember that streets face the front yard and the Purple Line will face the backyard of homes, a typical place for kids to play in neighborhoods throughout the County--not just in fortunate Chevy Chase. Don't forget that the Purple Line will also be going much faster than the speed limit within the Town. The idea that people might want some sort of fence or barrier between light rail and their backyards is not strange.
In any case, this question has little to do with support or opposition to the Purple Line. MTA, after all, plans to build a fence between the trail and the light rail just eleven feet away along the entire length of the trail. MTA expressed a clear desire to work with people to accommodate their preference for a fence or not if the light rail is built, a sensible approach on the part of Mike Madden and others involved in the light rail project in my opinion.
rtsind wrote:
"If I took the Metro to Wheaton and went shopping I would have a hard time walking back, and with my hands full of packages I would be an easy victim for a robber."
Gee, I have done exactly that for years -- walked to the Wheaton Metro with an armful of packages -- and boy oh boy I have never been robbed. So what leads you to your conclusion????
Well Kevin Gillogly- Good for you- you havent been robbed yet.
Why dont you speak to some senior citizens who have expressed these fears, or some of the women who shop at Wheaton and have been verbally harrassed , or go shopping after 7 in the evening and try your luck-- Nit everyone has been so lucky and quite a few people have this fear.
Wheaton is not that safe after dark.
On another point if you are handicapped- the walk can be a chore for those with a heart condition or mobility problems-- so the point is if you read the whole of what i wrote is that the Metro stops do not stop in places that make it convenient to go shopping- the stoops are aimed toward workers and not visitors or shoppers or those who have jobs perhaps a mile or two beyond the nearest station- and do not feel like walking in hot or cold or any other inclement weather.
The Purple Line is the Wolf in sheep's clothing!
Frustrated commuters assume that MTA has studies to show that the Purple Line will relieve major traffic congestion in the County -- but there are no such studies.
The Purple Line route was NOT chosen to relieve traffic congestion.
The Purple Line route was chosen because developers -- Chevy Chase Land Company, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Board of Trade-- have lobbied hard and will profit greatly from increased density around the proposed light rail stations, especially on Connecticut Avenue. The Purple Line is more about promoting development than it is about relieving traffic congestion. The net result will be more congestion, not less.
And the Purple Line route is "justified" by MTA because running a light rail along the Capital Crescent Trail is a "low cost" route -- if you don't count the destruction of thousands of trees, the serious degradation of the popular Capital Crescent Trail, and the devaluation of homes along the way as a "cost" -- which MTA does not.
Meanwhile, our elected officials are wringing their hands about all the traffic that will be generated by the relocation of Walter Reed to Bethesda Naval Hospital.
Our elected officials should throw the Wolf out and insist there be an EIS study of the PURPLE LINE LOOP -- proposed by Doug Duncan four years ago -- which would route the Purple Line along the Beltway between Silver Spring and Bethesda Medical Center. The Purple Line Loop would provide a meaningful Metro Line connection that would improve Metro service and take cars off the road! This is a win-win proposal that would save the Capital Crescent Trail and relieve congestion.
For more information, go to http://www.savethetrailpetition.org.
Pam Browning
Mike Madden gives small-minded, clueless bureaucrats a bad name.
Case in point: If it is not possible to re-plant trees (after *thousands* have been clear cut), why does the shoddy, cut-and-paste Powerpoint Purple Line presentation that Madden goes around presenting to taxpayers contain "artist's depictions" of the at-grade Purple Line as having a phalanx (two rows) of large, mature (i.e., 60-70 feet in height) , shade-giving trees?
Is this "visual lie" a purposeful, crass distortion, or yet more bumbling incomptence from Madden/MTA? If you've seen him in action, you may be moved to think the answer is "a little of both."
More Classic Madden: Showing photos of "grass tracks" in France(!), then backpeddaling on whether they're possible in this instance and then bristling with asked about relative costs. Sez Mike: "I don't know the cost or feasibility, but I wouldn't bring it up as a possibility if I didn't know the cost or feasibility." ?!?!
Classic!
>>>Of course, they acknowledge that thousands of trees will have to go if the light rail is built. In the portion near Chevy Chase, the right-of-way is the minimum size needed so it will not be possible to replant trees alongside either the new trail or the light rail there.
The blogger's reference to "the section near Chevy Chase" is inexact. It is the section that adjoins the Town of Chevy Chase (which is only a small part of what everyone thinks of as Chevy Chase) between the Air Rights Building and the East-West Highway bridge where the right of way is its narrowest. In Columbia Country Club, the right of way is much wider.
It's fascinating how the Purple Line opponents who claim to be trail advocates have never, never, never complained about Columbia Country Club's encroachments onto the publicly owned right of way. (Nor the encroachments by some Town of Chevy Chase residents.) If their real agenda was the trail and not keeping transit out of their own neighborhood, surely they would be demanding that the narrow fence through Columbia Country Club be moved back to the property line.
Um, yes, you've got a point there... A chain link fence is the same as a 66-foot-wide concrete tundra, necessitating the clear cutting of thousands of trees and the sullying of a widely used public greenspace, down which a "train" with totally unsubstantiated ridership levels(can you say "a few in the morning and evening, virtually none in the middle of the day, with some some light ridership at night and on weekends.") will run -- with very few riders.
See below for a few predicitions on how MTA and lemming "lawmakers" will/would respond to anemic, flat, ridership -- after having spent all that money and destroyed all that rare greenspace on their "Build it and they will come" white elephant called the Purple Line:
1. "Well, you've got to understand, this is a new resource and it takes a while for people to get used to it being there. Don't worry, the riders will start showing up."
But they don't... So they'll shift to "excuse #2."
2. "Well, yes, we agree. Ridership is a little (read: very) disappointing, but, don't worry, we're initiating a dynamic new consumer-focused marketing campaign that is intended to attract new riders. We're very excited!"
More money gets spent, but few new riders emerge. Possible because the ads run -- wait for it! -- on Purple Line trains that on which No One Is Riding!
So, it's time to move on to the coup de grace -- Excuse #3! Step up Montgomery County Council, MTA, etc., the floor is yours!
3."Harumph... yes.. um... Well, I think we all had misgivings about the Purple Line project from the outset... In fact, we're not even sure how this whole unfortunate circumstance came to pass... This is yet another example for the need for "greater oversight." Someone needs to conduct a study... and... I'd like to appoint myself to chair it!"
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Bottom line:
Public transport is vital (btw, who could be "against" public transport?) However, you build it in a way that *preserves* the natural environment, not destroys it.
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